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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 00:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Comparison of wiki hosting services]]

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”'{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}”’
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 00:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Comparison of wiki hosting services]]

*”’Delete”’ as [[WP:CFORK]] or ”’Draftify”’ to revise the scope and cleanup the list.

*”’Delete”’ as [[WP:CFORK]] or ”’Draftify”’ to revise the scope and cleanup the list.

:Out of 5 listed services only [[Fandom (website)]] fits the description, the rest are examples of [[Groupware]] software. Out of these four groupware products only [[Confluence (software)]] and [[PBwiki]] have a secondary source that positions the software as a wiki hosting service:[https://archive.org/details/enterpriseweb20f0000sank/page/46/mode/2up Sankar (2009)]. This source is extremely weak as it also calls [[Google Sites]] a ‘structured wiki’ (whatever that means), and refers to online spreadsheets and calendars as ‘wikis’ too. More importantly, it says that the list is based on [https://web.archive.org/web/20100324080508/http://wikimatrix.com/ wikimatrix.com], a defunct website that used to call placement of Confluence and other products on its list ”sponsored listings”. The article in the current form is effectively a [[WP:CFORK]] of the [[List of collaborative software]], featuring Confluence because it was called a wiki hosting on a sponsored listing website.

:Out of 5 listed services only [[Fandom (website)]] fits the description, the rest are examples of [[Groupware]] software. Out of these four groupware products only [[Confluence (software)]] and [[PBwiki]] have a secondary source that positions the software as a wiki hosting service:[https://archive.org/details/enterpriseweb20f0000sank/page/46/mode/2up Sankar (2009)]. This source is extremely weak as it also calls [[Google Sites]] a ‘structured wiki’ (whatever that means), and refers to online spreadsheets and calendars as ‘wikis’ too. More importantly, the list [https://web.archive.org/web/20100324080508/http://wikimatrix.com/ wikimatrix.com], a defunct website that used to call of Confluence and other products on its list ”sponsored listings”. The article in the current form is effectively a [[WP:CFORK]] of the [[List of collaborative software]], featuring Confluence because it was called a wiki hosting on a sponsored listing website.

:I agree that ‘only notable’ is a reasonable criteria for inclusion in a [[WP:LISTPURP-NAV|navigational list]] that doesn’t meet [[WP:NLIST]] criteria but, with apparently only 1 entry appropriately sourced, I’m failing to see the navigational value of this list. I’m hesitant of considering other alternatives for deletion as it’s unclear what independent secondary sources can be used to clean it up. {{Cl|Wiki farms}} proposed above simply repeats the sponsored listings from wikimatrix.com reprinted in the aforementioned Sankar (2009). Another source, referenced in the article, wikimatrix.org, is effectively a [https://www.wikimatrix.org/static/about personal homepage] and doesn’t meet [[WP:RS]] requirements. [[User:PaulT2022|PaulT2022]] ([[User talk:PaulT2022|talk]]) 02:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

:I agree that ‘only notable’ is a reasonable criteria for inclusion in a [[WP:LISTPURP-NAV|navigational list]] that doesn’t meet [[WP:NLIST]] criteria but, with apparently only 1 entry appropriately sourced, I’m failing to see the navigational value of this list. I’m hesitant of considering other alternatives for deletion as it’s unclear what independent secondary sources can be used to clean it up. {{Cl|Wiki farms}} proposed above simply repeats the sponsored listings from wikimatrix.com reprinted in the aforementioned Sankar (2009). Another source, referenced in the article, wikimatrix.org, is effectively a [https://www.wikimatrix.org/static/about personal homepage] and doesn’t meet [[WP:RS]] requirements. [[User:PaulT2022|PaulT2022]] ([[User talk:PaulT2022|talk]]) 02:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


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