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These entries appear to be sorted willy-nilly. Shouldn’t they be alphabetized based on the “of X” part? — Brian (talk) 14:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agreed. Either that, or by chronology. 112.211.205.112 (talk) 15:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

William I (disambiguation) → William I – At present “William I” redirects to William the Conqueror, I would argue that this is anglocentric bias. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this list should make us cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, we also have William I, German Emperor, under who the unification of Germany took place, plus important kings of the Netherlands and Scotland. PatGallacher (talk) 17:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why? PatGallacher (talk) 13:08, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

His article gets the most views and has the most historical significance. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support – I’ve rarely ever seen William the Conqueror called “William I (of England)” in reliable sources (eg. Scholar shows 37,000 results for “William the Conqueror [3], but only 530 for “William I of England” [4]. Furthermore, William the Conqueror does not receive enough of the outgoing pageviews from the dab page to be considered the primary topic per WP:PT1, he’s roughly even with the German emperor and Dutch king [5]. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • In actual fact, he’s usually called William I in scholarly sources. William the Conqueror is a populist moniker. A lot of the references to William I in Scholar (without a territorial designator) will be to him, so saying there are only 530 results for William I of England is fairly irrelevant. — Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Well, the 37,000 google scholar results for “William the Conqueror” would beg to differ that it’s a populist moniker and not a scholarly title. You’re also wrong that scholar results for “William I” (without a territorial designation) will be the English monarch. [6]

    I could argue that you are right because “William I” + “England” returns 42,000 results [7], but the fourth one shown is actually about the Kaiser and not the King. And “William I” + Germany returns 37,000 results [8]. A primary topic has to have usage much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined, which considering how there’s only a difference of ~5,000 results, this probably does not meet. estar8806 (talk) ★ 15:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support, there have been plenty of other William I’s. JIP | Talk 10:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose. Primary topic. The German emperor is certainly notable, but he’s usually referred to as Wilhelm I in reliable sources, which generally don’t have Wikipedia’s infantile obsession with translating everything into English. None of the others come close to the Conqueror’s notability. Nothing to do with Anglocentrism, but with the influence on world history of his conquest of England. — Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  “Wilhelm I” by itself and with the addition of “Germany” show no results referring to the Emperor on the first three pages [9] [10] Only with the qualifier of ‘German Emperor’ do we…